• Redex@lemmy.world
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    4 hours ago

    I agree with you that most probably without the US the Allies would have lost the war, but to the press secretary’s point about how they would be speaking German right now if it were not for them, I highly doubt that Germany could have held control over the entirety of Europe after the war. They would most probably collapse from revolutions/rebelions, but who knows what would have happened.

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      3 hours ago

      Fine, but I wasn’t addressing what you refuted. Most likely the perpetual-war economies of the Axis would have turned on each other during the course of competitive colonization, and lead to a series of Balkanized fascist states fighting for control. I doubt that even Germany would have remained intact, or that non-Prussian Germans would have had civil rights even by Nazi standards. The various rogue states controlling the general area of Vichy France would undoubtedly still speak French. I was addressing your thesis:

      It’s not clear to me that the Allies lose, even if it’s just the UK and USSR as the major powers.

      If it’s just the UK and USSR as the major powers, they lose.