Baron Von J

I was talking about James Carville

That was my assumption but the ambiguous wording combined with the headline implying the article being about Sanders left me unsure. Thanks for clarifying.

If you convince people the only thing they can do to oppose fascism is vote every 4 years, a position that is historically and objectively false – fascists don’t care about democracy – then dont act shocked when their mobilization is underwhelming.

I didn’t say that voting every 4 years was the only thing they could do though. I said “they could stop the rightward slide of the Democratic party by just showing up en masse in the primaries.”

Democratic party leaders were instructing volunteers to remove anyone from their lists who mentioned the Palestinian Genocide. They were intentionally not mobilizing the exact people you want to just mobilize. Also, have you ever tried to mobilize a group to do political action? It ain’t easy, even when you aren’t tying your own hands behind your back

See this is what I’m saying. The voters in question are waiting for the Democratic party to put a better candidate forward before they will vote for a Democratic nominee. But when there are enough of these voting-eligible people to split the vote and give the Republicans the win, then surely there’s enough of them to put a better candidate on the ballot without the party doing it for them.

I’ve posted in previous threads with sources … over 99% of the legislative offices around the country (state legislatures and US Congress) are held by either a Democratic or Republican nominee. And we are one presidential election away from it being 60 years since a 3rd party candidate received a single electoral vote. Ross Perot received just shy of 19% of the national popular vote in 1992 and received zero electoral votes. I’m not saying the Democratic party deserves every non-Republican vote, but the winner of over 99% of every race at the state and federal level will be won by either the Democratic nominee or the Republican nominee. Punishing the Democratic party in the general hasn’t done anything to move the party left, and we saw Bernie’s campaign in 2016 see the DNC adopt many of his campaign planks, and that led to more progressives running in and winning primaries. We see how well the threat of well financed primary campaign makes incumbents support an agenda. So clearly the primaries are where we should be applying pressure on the Democratic party.

https://www.amrepmexico.com/blog/cars-made-in-mexico https://www.surex.com/blog/what-cars-are-made-in-canada

Ford Mustang, Chevy Silverado, Dodge Charger/Challenger.

Was just making a point to OP about “American” vs “Japanese” companies, who seems to care more about the headquarters’ locations rather than the workers’.

Still a Japanese company my dudes

Buying a USA domestic brand that was assembled abroad and imported pays USA stock owners, not USA factory workers and local economies.

The subsidy will go to Tesla stock holders, not car buyers.

It’s almost as though the problem with every socioeconomic system of governance can just be reduced to greedy sociopathic shit heels ruining everything for everyone.

This guy was screaming and yelling about how Trump was a fascist, and if you didn’t vote democrat then that was equivalent to doing nothing in the face of fascism, or worse.

The headline names two guys. Which are you talking about.

Not saying there aren’t elements of fash in trumps admin, there obviously are

“elememts of” is massively underselling it.

or that abstaining to vote was the correct strategy, I don’t believe it was, though uncommitteds and 3rd party voters shouldn’t be shamed for following their conscience

The exasperation comes from the fact that from a historical and mathematical perspective, voting for the Democratic nominee in the general is the only way to not have a Republican win the race. And in spite of that reality slapping us in the face over and over again the 3rd party voters and non-voters won’t budge. They could stop the rightward slide of the Democratic party by just showing up en masse in the primaries.

… win democratically. This time they did, with the help of voter suppression.

So, they didn’t.

Remember when Rep Jim Banks if Indiana said forgiving student debt would make it harder for the military to use free tuition as an incentive to enlist? Nothing says “I represent the people” like intentionally making education unaffordable so get more people to join the military!