Well I’ll say two things, first the old /r/conservative would never have allowed this open of a discussion. I don’t know if these stayed up long but I remember people even going very slightly against the Fox narrative being banned.
Also this guy, completely and utterly misguided though I believe he is, at least has the courage of his convictions. He’s willing to make a sacrifice for what he thinks is good for the country. I very much doubt he’s right but still, that’s more than most people can say.
Yep, betting long term future on Trump is at very best laughable.
The question remains, does “good for the country” mean good for the citizens, or good for the elite?
Smells strongly of retrofitted justification BS to me.
Yeah. The dude that came up with the term cognitive dissonance described this process in his book When Prophesy Fails. Basically when you are in a cult and your doomsday ends up being a normal day you have a freak out of cognitive dissonance. This isn’t great because people don’t like having their strongly held beliefs shown to be invalid. So they must come up with a post hoc rationalization as to why their doomsday didn’t come true and why they are still right.
Trump could cut this guy’s nuts off and he’d still find a way to put a positive spin on it
He’s been sold on a fundamentally holistic view of the economy. “This may be uncomfortable now, but I trust it will produce a large national windfall in the future”.
It isn’t a bad attitude to have on its face. People do need to accept certain short term discomforts in order to achieve long term economic benefits, whether that means working industrial jobs to produce new useful infrastructure or risking personal health/safety in military conflicts to establish national security or curbing consumption to avoid long term ecological harm.
But the mass media this guy is ingesting is bullshit. So the benign “we’re investing in the future” perspective is corrupted into a gullible “my local neighborhood wallet inspector is just helping to remove these counterfeit bills from the money supply” political apathy.
He’s the victim of an intense, industrial scale propaganda campaign.
Incidentally…
Trump could cut this guy’s nuts off and he’d still find a way to put a positive spin on it
Hey, that trickle down is gonna happen any day now, exactly as promised!
The indoctrination system has people willing to suffer and die for their gods.
making yourself employable doesn’t mean shit when the local community faces economic collapse since they are floating on top of the economic output of a single factory. Dude good luck finding a job with all the millions of other people moving to places where the work will be.
Also I wonder what he thinks the long term gains are? Dude thinks the economy is a muscle that needs to experience stress to get stronger. In the long term other countries will stop doing business with America, since they found more reliable partners.
Hurting minorities as always
Destroying the economy on the off chance that it might also hurt minorities…
It works, but…
Gen X’er here, guessing this person hasn’t had to look for a job in a while. Especially when externalities make the search more difficult, like having an entire sector upended.
It took 1500 applications, over 100 interviews, and 4 years to find my current position. And, this was a callback from a prior rejection! They let the first person go that I interviewed with due to sabotaging intake because they were insecure in their position. Have fun with all that.
Average conservative.
They don’t see what the problem is until they get face-eaten. The sad part is the ones who go “Well as long as those brown people get it worse!”
Millennial here, 100% agree. I’m very good at what I do in my field and have a chonky resume of experience. I used to get job offers unprompted on practically a weekly basis. Years ago my apply-to-interview-to-offer % was like 70%+.
In the last couple of years this has shifted dramatically. I do not receive job offers unprompted, because they simply aren’t there. The number of listed jobs has tanked, the ones worth applying for i typically don’t hear anything back from, not even a rejection. One the other day I was told it wasn’t a real position that was open and was simply posted for some HR reason or some crap.
Layoffs across the board are on the rise so there are more people than ever looking and less jobs available.
It took my friend ~1yr to find a job after his last layoff.
This person is in for a world of hurt…and frankly, I have zero sympathy for them specifically.
Regarding sympathy - he is no different than the others who voted for this. These kinds of people aren’t ready to have been wrong. So they claim they expected it. His reply is nothing but an attempt to cope with his bad choices.
It’s absolutely a person speaking out loud to justify everything and avoid thinking about hardship. Humans are great at that.
Dude my last 2 job changes were due to layoffs. I had to take the first job offer I got after about 50 job applications because the job market absolutely sucks right now, and honestly I’m not happy with the job I could land because availability forced me to accept some red flags and compromises that I could see from the get-go of the interview process. I’m going to keep applying but I’m not holding my breath at this stage of things
The last position I interviewed (other people) for, we had over 2,000 total applicants, and this was before the huge swaths of layoffs that are currently happening and being planned.
The country is doomed, literally millions of people are about to be (many of which already are) out of work, while ALL public resources and support are being dissolved by the current regime.
My bet is also on they wildly underestimated what employable means (or overestimated the value of their skills and experience).
I’m also laughing over here at “long terms gains” of Trump’s policies. Unless this person is one of the billionaire class, there are no long term gains. The people who will benefit from whatever Trump and co. are up to wouldn’t be “out of a job,” they’d just transition to a new role either at the same company or another or be immune from the whole thing altogether.
May I ask what your job is?
Sales. First 900 applications and 50 interviews were in tech.
Software Engineer, typically on a contract / consulting basis, proficiently full stack + cloud infrastructure.
American conservatives are so fucking dumb. I hope they get everything they voted for, fuck them.
It is actually legitimately hard to wrap your head around how dumb they are.
So dumb that they even go “i voted like this because you wont stop calling me dumb” like a big stupid dumbfuck
The idiology is “trigger the libs” above all else.
The circle jerk continues!
Democrat = big wrinkly brains Republicans = tiny smooth brains
Gosh I’m so fucking smart, it hurts!
“Im one of the good ones”, “i put in the work”
“They skinned my children alive while they made me sit and watch. But ya know what? I’m glad they did that. It’s what’s best for the country. Plus it builds character, and I’ll have a great story to tell my children one d….oh right”
“government worshipers” votes for actual authoritarians
“It’ll be a short term hardship, but great for the long term!”
long term effects that FSUBAR*
*fuck shit up beyond all reason
The depths of conservative delusion truly knows no bounds.
Jump into the volcano, wackos.
I voted for what’s best for the country moving forward
Bigotry? Ignorance of economics? Or both?
“protected after Trump’s term”
So executive orders are useless for this, and what concessions are Republicans willing to make to get a Senate super majority to pass an amendment, which hasn’t happened in most of our lifetimes?
Also I’m sure this LITERAL EXACT SAME GUY: “what Democrats don’t understand is that socialism can’t work because everyone at the end of the day is selfish and our country should run based on that assumption” also: “utilitarianism is evil and what the Nazis did if you believe in that you can excuse any terrible action with ‘its for the greater good’.” (That’s a common type of excuse for anti-abortion people)
”I was full aware the leopards would eat my face. I’m in great pain right now, but I believe it’s for the best ”
The leopards are eating everyone’s faces, including mine. While this is usually deadly to others, I’ll be fine. I’m willing to take the gamble for everyone as a whole that if enough of their faces are eaten, things will be better long-term. The whiners need to grow a spine and let the leopards eat because the payoff will be worth it.
The gammon types do know that their faces will get eaten, the important thing to them is that the people they hate will have their faces eaten even more. That’s what happens when your life revolves around hating others.
TFW you’re being principled and thinking long-term but your principles and thinking are a total disaster
