They’ll have an election. You just won’t be allowed to vote against the glorious leader.
Or a marginally less cynical take, targeted voter surpression will mean that only republicans get elected president. So in four years they’ll get president Vance.
For congress to remove Trump first the house needs to vote with a 50% majority to impeach Trump for “Treason, bribery, or high crimes” the house does get to decide if something Trump has done meets that bar.
Then the senate needs to decide to have a trial not a criminal or civil trial, but a trial to decide of Trump should be removed from office.
Then the house gets to present its case proving the crime, then if the senate votes with a 2/3rds majority to convict, Trump would e removed from office, and barred from any future government office. If convicted, VP Vance would become the president until the next election.
Impeachment is a remedial process, not a punitive one, it can only remove Trump from office it can’t punish him for his crimes, though he may face a separate criminal trial for the same crime at that point.
So, remember how a few months ago, the South Korean president and defense minister declared martial law and tried to openly stage a military coup?
I expect that to happen here. Congress won’t do shit about it - they’ll lean into it, because the “opposition” has all the backbone of a sea cucumber, and the GOP congresspersons have either drunk the kool-aid, or (like the “opposition”) have been scared into compliance.
And I expect the insurrection act to be invoked (which lets the president deputize more or less whoever he wants… so, proud boys et al will be the new brownshirts). And I don’t think many people understand how much of a real threat those wingnut militias are. They’ve got a LOT more guerrilla/resistance-cell-type organization than most realize. It’s one of the reasons I’m so deeply concerned about this whole shitshow. And one of his first act was to pardon a few thousand people, a lot of whom were involved in or sympathetic to those militias, so he’s got died-hard followers in that crowd. Like, “I won’t ever question your orders” die hard. He’s made himself into a very literal savior figure for them.
As someone in the US living in a very progressive district, the general vibe of Democratic voters is what we should have gotten 8 years ago and even now I still get people saying we need to be more moderate and reach across the aisle.
There is nothing for us across the aisle. Without a fundamental rework of the minority party we just end up back here 10-15 years later because fundamental issues aren’t solved and miserable people are easier to sell racist exploitative policies too. If you are comfortable and secure you’re more likely to support helping others without worrying about it putting you on the streets.
I held my nose and voted blue no matter who, but there needs to be some consequences to supporting genocide. If Democratic leaders are going to hide behind bureaucracy then we need to go around it or we’re on the hook for whatever human rights abuses are done in our name.
Oh, absolutely. I’m not defending America. Nobody should trust us at this point. Our country is currently completely broken.
But there are at least two major ways to see countries like ours that have evil leadership… You can blame the government and those that empower it, or you can blanket-blame all of the people that live there.
If you blame the people, and it catches on, then you end up dehumanizing an entire segment of humanity. It’s not unlike being racist, ableist, or sexist. You’re stripping individuality from an entire group, and applying preconceived principals to them as a whole.
America is a divided nation. Trump isn’t just harming our allies, and helping our enemies… He’s also first and foremost viciously attacking Americans and doing his best to strip away every freedom we have that might challenge him.
This is a man that’s out to destroy America, and to disrupt the strength of those who oppose Putin. The best way for him to achieve his goal is to get all of us at one another’s throats. The more petty, the better - that’s Trump’s bread and butter. A divided world is easier to conquer, just like our nation.
We can either stand together against tyranny as humans, or fall divided on our swords of ignorance and nationalism.
What do you think “America” is? Its a societal mindset and ideology which are held by various subsets of the population. Ultimately, we can’t rely on half the country to do shit if we want to enact change, they need to be dragged kicking and screaming into a free society with a strong middle class. Its not enough that we can convince them to join because egg prices are high, or their pet government project was cut because we’re just going to end up back in the same place in 10-15 years when they forget. We need durable change enacted by principled leaders who we need to raise into seats of power and continue to hold accountable.
It also isn’t one man. Its a large swath of people afraid of perceived change, along with opportunists who want to be the future king’s puppeteers that are happily playing into old prejudicial narratives to drum up support. He’s not some mastermind who can do this without think tanks to come up with concrete plans like project 2025. Remember, he got 77 million votes. That’s not a radical subset, and we can’t plead ignorance or assumed he would have fallen into line once elected, we already had 4 years of this dictator wannabe.
I don’t think we should be petty, I think we should be very specific in our critiques and what is and is not acceptable in a free society. You’re allowed to be an asshole, you’re allowed to not like mexican food, you can even support stronger border controls, be against federally backed student loans or think USAID should be defunded or be opposed to abortion. You can’t be willing to throw out the entire system of government in order to achieve those goals and have me willing to consider you a fellow American. The basic rules of engagement need to be something that is held sacred and it needs to be built around the empowerment of individuals with strong controls against undue influence.
Someone with a billion dollars should not have a louder voice than a collection of tens of millions of US citizens with a combined net worth of 1 billion dollars. Neither party’s leadership believes our country should run on these fundamentals, so who else is going to fight for this?
We do not stand together, a subset of the population is standing in support for a free and equal society, while others are just trying to get one up on their neighbors and yet more are just standing around willfully ignorant to this conflict with their fingers in their ears afraid of being uncomfortable until they are eventually forced to care.
You live in a country that has declared war on a much smaller neighbour. (Sure, for now it’s just economic, but cf. Warren Buffet.)
The victims of the aggression from your region are under no obligation to investigate your personal innocence in the matter.
If you are an ally, the responsibility to demonstrate that is entirely yours. Also, the bar is naturally high, as your fascist government has repeatedly threatened our sovereignty and territory.
So suck it up and read up on Denmark or France in 1940.
The Americans chose, or allowed their opponents to choose him. The voters own all of the next 4 years.
But yes, when was the last time inaction in protest worked?
What happens in 4 years? I’d be surprised if there was another election for a while.
They’ll have an election. You just won’t be allowed to vote against the glorious leader.
Or a marginally less cynical take, targeted voter surpression will mean that only republicans get elected president. So in four years they’ll get president Vance.
It’ll be sooner, I think.
Place your bets folks! Does he croak in office and We get another asshole at the helm? So many possibilities
$10,000->choking on peanut
$1000->exactly as the Simpson predicted
$200->Boeing misshalf…don’t worry they’ll fix it
$5->COVID
$1->accidental window fall
$0.5->not accidental window fall…10 stories
How does that work in US politics? Can Congress raise a vote of no confidence?
Their process is more complicated.
For congress to remove Trump first the house needs to vote with a 50% majority to impeach Trump for “Treason, bribery, or high crimes” the house does get to decide if something Trump has done meets that bar.
Then the senate needs to decide to have a trial not a criminal or civil trial, but a trial to decide of Trump should be removed from office.
Then the house gets to present its case proving the crime, then if the senate votes with a 2/3rds majority to convict, Trump would e removed from office, and barred from any future government office. If convicted, VP Vance would become the president until the next election.
Impeachment is a remedial process, not a punitive one, it can only remove Trump from office it can’t punish him for his crimes, though he may face a separate criminal trial for the same crime at that point.
So, remember how a few months ago, the South Korean president and defense minister declared martial law and tried to openly stage a military coup?
I expect that to happen here. Congress won’t do shit about it - they’ll lean into it, because the “opposition” has all the backbone of a sea cucumber, and the GOP congresspersons have either drunk the kool-aid, or (like the “opposition”) have been scared into compliance.
And I expect the insurrection act to be invoked (which lets the president deputize more or less whoever he wants… so, proud boys et al will be the new brownshirts). And I don’t think many people understand how much of a real threat those wingnut militias are. They’ve got a LOT more guerrilla/resistance-cell-type organization than most realize. It’s one of the reasons I’m so deeply concerned about this whole shitshow. And one of his first act was to pardon a few thousand people, a lot of whom were involved in or sympathetic to those militias, so he’s got died-hard followers in that crowd. Like, “I won’t ever question your orders” die hard. He’s made himself into a very literal savior figure for them.
Discounting your allies here in the states will only help Trump. Good job, Trump and Vance approved of this message
I’m serious. They love you for this. They love that you said this. Dismissing the dissenters here in the States is a great fascist tactic.
Thanks. Kudos to you!!
As someone in the US living in a very progressive district, the general vibe of Democratic voters is what we should have gotten 8 years ago and even now I still get people saying we need to be more moderate and reach across the aisle.
There is nothing for us across the aisle. Without a fundamental rework of the minority party we just end up back here 10-15 years later because fundamental issues aren’t solved and miserable people are easier to sell racist exploitative policies too. If you are comfortable and secure you’re more likely to support helping others without worrying about it putting you on the streets.
I held my nose and voted blue no matter who, but there needs to be some consequences to supporting genocide. If Democratic leaders are going to hide behind bureaucracy then we need to go around it or we’re on the hook for whatever human rights abuses are done in our name.
Oh, absolutely. I’m not defending America. Nobody should trust us at this point. Our country is currently completely broken.
But there are at least two major ways to see countries like ours that have evil leadership… You can blame the government and those that empower it, or you can blanket-blame all of the people that live there.
If you blame the people, and it catches on, then you end up dehumanizing an entire segment of humanity. It’s not unlike being racist, ableist, or sexist. You’re stripping individuality from an entire group, and applying preconceived principals to them as a whole.
America is a divided nation. Trump isn’t just harming our allies, and helping our enemies… He’s also first and foremost viciously attacking Americans and doing his best to strip away every freedom we have that might challenge him.
This is a man that’s out to destroy America, and to disrupt the strength of those who oppose Putin. The best way for him to achieve his goal is to get all of us at one another’s throats. The more petty, the better - that’s Trump’s bread and butter. A divided world is easier to conquer, just like our nation.
We can either stand together against tyranny as humans, or fall divided on our swords of ignorance and nationalism.
Jesus Murphy, it isn’t dehumanizing it’s telling you you aren’t working hard enough or smart enough to fucking fix it, because no one else can.
What do you think “America” is? Its a societal mindset and ideology which are held by various subsets of the population. Ultimately, we can’t rely on half the country to do shit if we want to enact change, they need to be dragged kicking and screaming into a free society with a strong middle class. Its not enough that we can convince them to join because egg prices are high, or their pet government project was cut because we’re just going to end up back in the same place in 10-15 years when they forget. We need durable change enacted by principled leaders who we need to raise into seats of power and continue to hold accountable.
It also isn’t one man. Its a large swath of people afraid of perceived change, along with opportunists who want to be the future king’s puppeteers that are happily playing into old prejudicial narratives to drum up support. He’s not some mastermind who can do this without think tanks to come up with concrete plans like project 2025. Remember, he got 77 million votes. That’s not a radical subset, and we can’t plead ignorance or assumed he would have fallen into line once elected, we already had 4 years of this dictator wannabe.
I don’t think we should be petty, I think we should be very specific in our critiques and what is and is not acceptable in a free society. You’re allowed to be an asshole, you’re allowed to not like mexican food, you can even support stronger border controls, be against federally backed student loans or think USAID should be defunded or be opposed to abortion. You can’t be willing to throw out the entire system of government in order to achieve those goals and have me willing to consider you a fellow American. The basic rules of engagement need to be something that is held sacred and it needs to be built around the empowerment of individuals with strong controls against undue influence.
Someone with a billion dollars should not have a louder voice than a collection of tens of millions of US citizens with a combined net worth of 1 billion dollars. Neither party’s leadership believes our country should run on these fundamentals, so who else is going to fight for this?
We do not stand together, a subset of the population is standing in support for a free and equal society, while others are just trying to get one up on their neighbors and yet more are just standing around willfully ignorant to this conflict with their fingers in their ears afraid of being uncomfortable until they are eventually forced to care.
Here’s how it works:
You live in a country that has declared war on a much smaller neighbour. (Sure, for now it’s just economic, but cf. Warren Buffet.)
The victims of the aggression from your region are under no obligation to investigate your personal innocence in the matter.
If you are an ally, the responsibility to demonstrate that is entirely yours. Also, the bar is naturally high, as your fascist government has repeatedly threatened our sovereignty and territory.
So suck it up and read up on Denmark or France in 1940.
If you see every American as your enemy, then you will eventually create a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I’m not willing to be manipulated by an orange idiot, but hey, you do you.